608 William - Old Town - Key West

Just Listed ( but not by me) 608 William Street, Old Town, Key West. I wrote about this house earlier this year when it was priced the same as it is in today's new listing. But there has been a big change. The owner has done some spiffy updating as well to tidy the property over until a new owner decides possibly to renovate the property.

This is how the listing broker describes 608 William: "The sweetest cottage in the very best Old Town location has just had a fabulous face lift! This circa 1887 conch classic has a wonderful outdoor covered screened porch with private garden and bricked driveway. The interior is newly painted, there is a new kitchen with new cabinets, appliances, and granite counter tops, and a remodeled bathroom. Although a very comfortable home, an additional up side to this property is the potential for further development. There are extensive HARC approved architectural plans which may be included in the sale of this unique offering" CLICK HERE for more details and additional photos of one of my favorite homes.

The house is a liveable 753 sq ft and sits on a 46.35 x 100.5 (4560 sq ft) lot right smack dab in the Heart of Old Town on one of the very best streets in Old Town. I'm not making this stuff up guys. This is a terrific location. Two days ago I wrote about the historic landmark listed just next door.

I got an email the other day from a blog reader who questioned my opinion on 529 Margaret Street that is priced up near $1000 per sq ft. I wrote her back and told her that "value" does not necessarily equate to "cheap". I told her that the house on Margaret has everything most second home owners want in an Old Town home: pool, at least 2 bedrooms, nicely done, good location, can move right in and not have to do a damned thing. That house does not have off street parking or central air and it only has one bath. So a lot of buyers probably wouldn't even look at it because their agent wouldn't find it in an automatic search. I think my reader would find the asking price on 608 William most objectionable: $799,000 or $1,061 per sq ft. And in this depressed real estate market to boot. The value dear reader is not in the price per sq ft but rather in the uniqueness of this property, its location and the ability to expand the property at some future time.

I seriously doubt that anyone will pay the asking price on the historic landmark next door (read blog below), but I have no doubt that when that house is purchased, it will be bought by someone with an awful lot of money and great vision. I think they buyer will restore and improve one of Key West's most beautiful old ladies. And I think whoever ends up buying 608 William will end up benefiting financially and aesthetically from the renovation next door.

Want to see 608 William or some other Key West property? Please call me, Gary Thomas, 305-766-2642 or email me at kw1101v@aol.com.

730 Southard Street - Historic Key West Landmark

Just Listed (but not by me) 730 Southard Street an historic Key West Landmark.
the listing Realtor describes the property this way: "Here in the heart of Old Town Key West sits this jewel of an original Conch home built in the 1800's waiting for your special touch. The widows walk was once used by the original owners to watch wrecking vessels come into Key West bight. The history behind this home spans several generations of just one family. The rooms are large, the ceilings are high and everything is original in this 2 story home including Dade County pine throughout. There's a standup attic running the entire length with accesses from the second floor landing and master bedroom and the over sized corner lot sits in a prime location of historic Old Town."

This house sits at the corner of William and Southard Street right smack dab in the middle of Old Town. So you could not ask for a better location. The lot is huge and measures 100' X 68'.53" or 6853 sq ft. That is huge for Old Town. The house is equally large. The listing Realtor says the house is 2838 sq ft. The house has 4 bedrooms, 2 baths, a garage. an incedible facade and a widos walk. One of the photos to the right shows the view from the widows walk. CLICK HERE for more information and additional photos of the house.


The asking price on this house is $2,990,000 or $1,054 per sq ft. That's pretty high for this market, especially since the house is a virgin. It was in the same family since it was built and there is only one building permit of record in the County Appraiser's records. The house is pretty much just as it was when it was built expect for the updated appliances in the kitchen. (Look at the pics.) Of course, there is another even more expensive virgin on the market at 616 Eaton. I wrote about it on September 3 when it was listed for $5.5 million.

Maybe back in 2004 or 2005 when people were throwing money away someone would have paid the very high asking price on either of these great properties. I think it is going to be a real hard sell in this market. But don't let my pessimism dissuade you from looking--if you have the money to make a deal like this happen. I'd be delighted to show it to you. I did speak to the recently departed owner one day in October two years ago. We stood on the front porch pictured to the right and she told me stories of her growing up in the house and the way Key West used to be.

If you are looking for a place in Key West that is a a little less expensive, please call me, Gary Thomas, 305-766-2642 or e-mail me at kw1101v@aol.com. Prices on most properties are at historic lows so I think now is a great time to buy bargain priced properties. CLICK HERE to search the Key West mls database and then call me.

Key West Bank Foreclosures -- déjà vu All Over Again

It seems like it was only last week that I created a list of current bank owned properties in the Key West area. Well, it actually was last week. There have been a couple of changes so I thought it best to update the list. CLICK HERE to see the new list of single family homes.

Some of the houses in the above list have pools or are located on canals. A couple of the houses are really very nice and are priced aggressively to sell. A couple of the houses owned by local banks in Key West may even qualify for bank financing from the seller at competitive rates. So I suggest you look over the list carefully and not dismiss all of the houses as being dogs. That is not the case.

I did not include teh the above list the numerous condos and town homes in Key West, Stock Island, or the areas up to Big Coppitt Key.

There are two commercial properties investors might want to checkout. One is a mixed us building at 824 Duval. CLICK HERE for limited info posted by the listing realtor. I can provide more detailed info for interested buyers.

The second property is a condo project that did not get completed on Stock Island. Again the listing agent has only put limited info on-line. CLICK HERE to review that info. I am quite familiar with the project. I submitted an all cash offer to the bank that ended up owning this property for an amount near the asking price two years ago this month. The shrewd banker turned down my client's cash offer.

I went to the courthouse earlier this week to checkout a couple of files of pending foreclosures. Just before the judge enters and order authorizing the sale, the party seeking the foreclosure (usually the bank) submits an itemized list of all amounts it claims due on the mortgage including principal, interest, attorney fees, costs, appraisal fees, court costs, legal process fees, escrow reserve short falls, etc. The judge reviews the list and typically enters an Order that becomes a Final Judgment that includes those sums and that amount is what is bid by the foreclosing party at the public auction a few weeks later. The bank wants to load up the costs so high as to prevent some other party from buying the property at sale or inhibiting a party who has a right of redemption from exercising that right. I wasn't surprised to see that the practice has not stopped.

I think there is going to be a huge rally right after the election on November 4th. That happens after every Presidential election. But the stress on markets all over the world will be eased when the US elects its new President. If Obama wins I think European markets will soar. The Europeans hate Bush and the Bush policies. I think they see Obama as a leader who deliver all of us from the abyss. If I am right and the election marks the beginning of the end of the bear market, prices will gradually start to rise. Right now prices continue to drop. So I think now is a really opportune time to buy at or near the bottom of the market.

Want to buy now? Please call me, Gary Thomas, 305-766-2642, or e-mail me at kw1101v@aol.com for more information.

3810 Flagler Avenue Key West

Just Listed and located far from the madding crowd: 3810 Flagler Avenue Key West. This 4 bedroom 3 1/2 baths home is a very spacious 3207 sq ft that is situated on a massive 14,175 sq ft lot (105' frontage X 135' depth). The rear of the property is located on the Vista Del Mar Canal and has 100' feet of dock space with an open water view of the salt ponds.

The property is considered to be one of the best canal/open water view properties on the Island of Key West. And the location provides nearly immediate deep water access via the Riviera Canal. Imagine coming home at night grabbing a brew and heading out to the ocean to watch sunset far away from the magicians, sword swallowers, and God love them "tourists".

I went out to the property this morning and snapped some pics. The listing agent only has one photo in the mls at this time. The house and driveway were just painted and the front nicely primped. I took some photos from A1A looking west down the canal. I really think this is a deal for someone looking for a waterfront property. I did a quick search of our mls and came up with 28 homes priced between $1,250,000 and $1,499,000 with a minimum of 3 bedrooms and 2 baths. CLICK HERE to compare what you can buy for $ 405 per sq ft at 3810 Flagler. There is one property priced less expensively but its location is inferior to that of 3810 Flagler in my opinion. I have also written above several of the houses on the list. I still like them. Most are in Old Town or Casa Marina and are good buys at their respective prices. But they are not on the water, and they do not have the amount of house or amount of land that Flagler does. That is why this house is such a good deal, especially in this market.

This is what you get for the $1,299,000 (that is only $405 per sq ft): bedroom 1
(16.00x25.00); bedroom 2 (15.00x16.00); bedroom 3 (13.00x14.00); bedroom 4 (11.00x14.00); living room (22.00x27.00); family room (19.00x23.00); dining room (14.00x16.00) plus a beautiful pool and spa, tiki hut, etc. CLICK HERE for more information and photos of 3810 Flagler Avenue.

This is the kind of offering that should not last long--even in a down market. If you would like to see 3810 Flagler Avenue please call me, Gary Thomas, 305-766-2642 or email me at kw1101v@aol.com.

The Calvin Klein House - 712 Eaton Street -- One of Key West's Premier Signature Homes

Before it became known as the Calvin Klein House, it was the home of Angelo Donghia. Donghia was an internationally famous designer in the 1970s and 1980's whose clients included Ivana and Donald Trump, Barbara Walters, Diana Ross, Mary Tyler Moore, Halston, Ralph Lauren and Neil Simon. Donghia preserved the eccentric—and now famous—octagon house which he purchased for $45,000 in 1976 and decorated it in simply with rattan furniture and white canvas coverings. He sold it in on January 1, 1981 for $975,000 to Calvin Klein. Klein sold it on September 1, 1986 for $400,000. (Source: Monroe County Clerk Public Records.) And in the beginning, the Octagon House at 712 Eaton Street in Old Town Key West was built around 1885 for Richard Peacon, the town grocer.

No matter whose house it is called, the manse at 712 Eaton was just listed for sale at the price of $3,490,000. The listing broker describes the house this way: "Soaring ceiling heights, Dade County Pine walls & floors, spacious rooms and huge porches everywhere make this property truly remarkable. This comfortable & casual home offers three or four bedrooms, three baths & meandering brick pathways throughout a lushly landscaped enormous lot. Relax & entertain by your over sized pool & Jacuzzi. Off street parking for 3 cars. All in the heart of Old Town!"

The photos to the right are of the house as it appears today with the exception of the interior shot. That is how Angelo Donghia had it decorated when he owned it. CLICK HERE for more photos and details on this one of a kind house.

I would love to show you this house--if it is in your price range, that is. But if you are looking for something a little less expensive, we've got a lot of those these days. CLICK HERE to search the Key West Association of Realtors MLS database. If you see a property that you like, please call me, Gary Thomas, 305-766-2642 or email me at kw1101v@aol.com.

Key Haven -- "Safe" Haven?

With all of the doom and gloom being uttered on TV and in print this past week about the collapse of the stock market, one phrase kept cropping up: "safe haven". Commentators were being asked to tell the public "safe" places to park their money in these trying times.

There are two ways to look at having cash these days. One, if you have a lot of cash you are very fortunate. Two, if you have a lot of cash you probably won't get a very good return if you park it in a bank or a CD. Interest rates are terribly low. So even though cash is king, if you park your money in a bank you will not earn enough interest to buy much bling.

I just created a list of homes for sale on Key Haven. CLICK HERE to checkout the list of single family homes priced in the low $300s per sq ft to over $1100s per sq. ft. Key Haven is a ten minute drive (on good days) from Old Town. It is our bedroom community where so many locals who got priced out of Old Town migrated to. Most of the homes are located on canals that provide boating access to the deep waters only minutes away. Click the photos to see the kind of spectacular views some of these homes have.

Some of the homes on the list are short sales meaning the seller owes more than the amount of the asking price but hopes the lender will accept a discounted payoff in order to avoid possible foreclosure. There is at least one bank owned property on the list (8 Beechwood Dive priced at $499,000 or $364 per sq.ft. - with a pool). It is owned by local bank that has had the property for two long years.

Several of the properties on the list flooded during Hurricane Wilma. Those properties may be priced at a discount because of this.

There are also several very high end properties on the list. These properties have excellent locations and superior upgrades and craftsmanship in their construction. I think there are some good buys on a price per sq. ft. basis on some of these properties. Of course there are more buyers for the less expensive homes, but some of the larger properties are real values even in this stressful environment. It is for that reason that I suggest Key Haven may be a safe haven for buyers who want to capitalize on this current market.

If you see something on the list that strikes your fancy, please contact me, Gary Thomas, 305-766-2642, or email me at kw1101v@aol.com. If you are looking for a place in Key West other than Key Haven, CLICK HERE to perform your own search of our mls database. Then call me to help you.

701 Elizabeth Heart of Old Town Key West

You know the house because of its unique design. You know the house because of its prime location. And know you know it is a deal waiting to be had. The seller just reduced the asking pirce on this unique property to only $879,000 or $443 per sq ft.

This is how the listing broker describes this property: "Live at the highest point in Key West, atop Solares Hill, a premier Old Town location. The main home includes 2 bedrooms, 2 baths, river recovered heart pine floors and 10 foot ceilings. Beautiful French doors lead out to your private deck, heated pool and outdoor shower. The second floor boasts cathedral ceilings creating a soaring master bedroom. The over sized windows feature louvered shutters adding to the architectural features of the home. This custom home also includes parking and a guest apartment featuring 1 bedroom and 1 bath with kitchen, laundry, French doors and deck. A quality home designed by Tom Pope and built by Erik DeBoer." What he does not tell you is that Tom Pope is one of Key West's most noted architects. He also does not mention that Pope and de Boer collaborated on several major Key West projects including the Marquesa Hotel. The pool area of the Elizabeth house was later adapted to the new rooms added to the Marquesa Hotel in 1995. Pope & deBoer used similar louvered shutters on several projects including major homes in the Truman Annex and The Meadows Area.

There is a legal three story one bed one bath duplex unit that could be incorported into the main part of the house. That unit has an opening that soars from the ground floor all the way to the ceiling of the third floor and could become a dramatic foyer into the house.

No need to worry about flooding here. This house sits at the highest point on the Island of Key West. Speaking of which, the views from the second floor are really great. And there is off street parking.This house ws built in 1984. Some features may seem a little dated. Everything works. Maybe in our new economy we will learn to use rather than replace things that work.

This is a very nice house in a very good location that was built thoughtfully by a good contractor. It has what most second home owners want in a Key West property. I'd love to show you this house and take you by some of the other properties the architect and contractor later copied in much more expensive versions. Please call me, Gary Thomas, 305-766-2642 or email me at kw1101v@aol.com.

More Bank Owned Key West Properties

A few weeks back I wrote about the new listing at 1119 Von Phister a bank owned property that happens to be right next door to where I live. I totally forgot until yesterday that I almost bought that house in 2004. I had plans to renovate it and sell it for a bunch of money. The house sold quickly after it was listed so I thankfully never got the chance to buy the beast. (I'm not putting that property down. Any renovation becomes a beast in my opinion.)

Today stock markets all over the world have moved steeply downward. The mortgage meltdown has turned into a thermal unclear event. Nobody can really predict what will happen next. But I can predict that things will eventually get better. They always do. I lost a huge amount of money after 911. I went nuts. But I eventually accepted what happened. That's all you can do. Or kill yourself.

Time passes and things do improve. Usually. Take the house on the right located at the corners of Elizabeth Street and Southard Street. The black and white photo is from the 1960s or 1970's. I took the color photo two days ago.

I don't know if we are in a new Depression, but there are a lot of depressed folks out there right now. That's the reason for the big smiley to the right as well. People come to Key West to get uplifted and to relax. And the parachute photo just makes you want to get up in the air and fly.

Here are three links to some recently foreclosed properties in Key West.

Link No. One CLICK HERE is a commercial property at 824 Duval Street. It has two commercial spaces of 1500 sq ft each and 6 one bedroom, one bath fully furnished transient rental apartments. There's a pool and tropical garden plus off street parking for eight cars. Bank owned and financing may be available.

Link No. Two CLICK HERE This is a bank owned condominium project that did not quite get completed. Listing agent says it needs about $200,000 worth of work to complete.
It's located on sunny Stock Island. Bank owned.

Link No. Three CLICK HERE This is a group of several homes that are bank owned. I've written about the house on Go Lane and 1119 Von Phister. Our office has the listing on the architecturally "interesting" A frame at 2301 Linda (corner of Flagler) which has a big pool and a small price per sq ft ($168) for the property. Each house is bank owned. Bank financing may be possible on Go Lane and Von Phister only.

If any of these properties look interesting to you, or if you have a specific property that you are looking to find, please call me, Gary Thomas, 305-766-2642 or e-mail me at kw1101v@aol.com.

The Flim-Flam Short Sale

One of the better morality movies from the 1960's was George C. Scott's The Flim-Flam Man. He played Mordecai Jones - a penny-ante con man that rode the rails and took the money of Southerners. "You can’t cheat an honest man" was his motto. But he had no trouble cheating would-be cheaters.

I have seen several properties that have been offered as "Short Sales" in the Key West Association of Realtors MLS that are Flim-Flam. Flim-Flam can be defined as "a trick or deception, especially a swindle or confidence game involving skillful persuasion or clever manipulation of the victim".

The concept of a Short Sale is pretty simple. A home owner needs to sell his house quickly because of some impending situation such as a potential foreclosure, illness, marital conflict, etc. So Seller lists the property at a price he hopes will attract a potential buyer. In turn, the Seller hopes his lender will agree to accept a discounted payoff of his mortgage (an amount less than what is owed). If this occurs, the seller theoretically walks away from his problems and resumes a somewhat normal life without the burden of whatever precipitated the need to sell.

The above scenario is playing out with more regularity now across America. It pre-supposes the seller, the buyer, and the lender are each acting in good faith with respect to their competing interests in the sale of the specific property and the potential forgiveness of some portion of the debt. The parties negotiate their best deal based on their competing interests and submit an offer to lender to approve the deal. At that point the lender usually gets Broker Price Opinion (maybe a drive by appraisal by a local Realtor who estimates the fair market value of the property in the given market). Assuming the broker's opinion supports the contract price, the lender would then order a full appraisal and start the process to obtain final approval under the lender's credit authority to accept the discounted payoff.

I have seen a few sellers that have properties listed as Short Sales that are pulling a flim-flam on their lenders. This is how it is done. Seller lists his property for sale at a ridiculous price for a given market. In Key West the asking price might be somewhere around $1000 to $1300 or more per square foot for a nice house in Old Town, The Meadows, or The Casa Marina Area. There are very few houses that would sell for those prices in the current Key West real estate market. Yet the seller dictates the high listing prices.

Let's imagine that the seller owns several such properties in Key West. Let's further imagine that seller has each property rented. Let's assume that the tenants pay their utilities and that they send their monthly rent checks directly to the would-be seller. For grins sake we'll assume the seller gets $2000 per month net on each house. Let's make the scenario more interesting. Let's assume that the seller has not made a mortgage payment to his lender(s) since July 2006. If my math is correct the seller would have collected 26 months rent of $2000 per month for a total of $52,000 (for each house) without making any payment to the lender.

Let's add a different dimension. Let's assume the seller lets the "tenant" control when the house can be shown. A lot of tenants "work nights" so that means showings can only occur during certain hours and usually require at least 24 hour advance notice to tenants. The more impediments the seller or his tenant establish to limit the showing the short sale property the more likely there will be no offer on it. Likewise, the higher the asking price, the less likely the property will be shown because buyers are looking for deals not ordeals.

Here's another wrinkle some would-be sellers have devised. They require the listing Realtor to exclude certain parts of the real property from the sale. Examples could include that shiny new Viking stainless steel stove and refrigerator, or that ornate crystal chandelier, or whatever. Those are usually items that were in the property when the seller bought it or added to the property through renovations paid for by a loan on the property. Even though the mortgage covers these new fixtures as becoming part of the real estate, I've seen many sellers treat them as their own private property which they can keep as a souvenir of the once treasured house. And nobody is going to stop them.

The sellers who are achieving short sales in Key West are the ones who have listed their property for sale at a price that is targeted for this current market. The price is not related back to a time when the house may have sold for a higher price nor even to an old appraisal. An appraisal that is more than a year old is worthless in my opinion.

Almost every mortgage I have seen has an assignment of rents provision in it wherein the borrower agrees to give the lender any rents he collects in the event of default on the mortgage. Lenders typically don't enforce this and the borrowers (sellers) keep the rent. So it is not in the interest of a flim-flam short seller to get a short sale accomplished.

If you think I am exaggerating or making something up, you are wrong. There are a bunch of people in Key West who own several properties that are collecting rent but who are not paying their mortgages or taxes. There is no reason to do because they know they will lose the property at some point in time. In the meantime, they get to pocket the loot. We may cheer that the banks are getting hosed by these flim-flam would-be short sellers. But when you consider the "Bailout" or what the President now calls "Rescue Package", we are collectively letting the flim-flam short sellers take money out of our pockets.

And this tidbit may get you a little miffed at the tenants. They often claim to be abused by the awful landlords. Many eventually stop paying rent when they figure something is up. That can occur when the property is listed for sale or when the sheriff posts a public notice on the door advising the property is subject to foreclosure. If the tenant holds over and does not vacate the new bank owner must file an eviction. That costs more money and takes more time. So some banks give up to $1500 in relocation money to tenants to get them to leave without being evicted. Again, it looks like the taxpayers are going to help subsidize this into the future as well.

There are many good and decent people that are facing real adversity right now. My point is not to make lite of their predicament. Their pain must be awful. It just riles me that there are some really devious people that continue to use the system to their own advantage even as they sink into mire.

1110 Curry Lane Old Town Key West

Right after I started this blog about Key West Properties I wrote a piece called Life in the Slow Lane CLICK HERE to read. I mused about the virtues of living on one of the slow lanes in Old Town Key West.

This Old Town gem is tucked away on one of Key West's slow lanes between Frances and White Streets. The cottage has been lovingly restored to maintain all the character and charm you'd expect to find such as Dade County Pine walls, Georgia Heart Pine floors and thoughtful attention to detail. The floor plan is open and spacious and offers indoor/outdoor living amid tropical privacy. There are two bedrooms and two full baths plus a chef friendly kitchen with soapstone counter-tops and Viking stainless steel appliances. Enjoy the outdoor shower and lounge beside the river rock lagoon pool. Relax on the front porch with a cool beverage and a good book. Off-street parking for one small car.

1110 Curry Lane is offered at the price of $999,500 or $828 per sq ft for this 1207 sq ft treasure that sits on a 2321 sq ft lot. If you bought this house you could walk to Duval within 5-7 minutes. Same for the Historic Seaport. Or your job if you have one and it is located in Old Town. There are two convenience stores within a two minute walk as well. But neither you nor your friends would know how convenient this house is because it is tucked away so nicely. You won't hear the noise of Harleys roaring down your street, because their drivers don't have a clue that Curry Lane exists. Even your creditors will have difficulty finding you. You see, life on a slow lane isn't bad at all.

CLICK HERE for more info and pictures of 1110 Curry Lane.

There are lots of nice little house on the many little lanes in Key West. If you have some spare time CLICK HERE and search the Key West mls to search for your new home in Paradise and then please call me, Gary Thomas, 305-766-2642 or e-mail me at kw1101v@aol.com for more information.